Debra Ward Cross Examines Perry White CDUA AUTHOR

  • Mr. Perry White (Witness) Expert in land use planning and analysis; experience identified in curriculum vitae cross-examed by Debra 
  • Did the proposal qualify for a conservation district use permit?
    1. 8 criteria (ex. A31)
    2. plans for the area were used
    3. hrs 183 c-1
      1. purpose conserve protect, through appropriate management and use to promote long term sustainability
        1. deems consistent
        2. not to prevent use of telescope but to MANAGE them in a responsible and respective way; intent “manage” meaning no change
        3. TMT project consistent with…
        4. “sub-plans in its entirety…” complies
        5. can be sustainable and economic use
        6. NATURAL RESOURCES/ASTRONOMICAL RESOURCE
          1. NOT CAUSE IMPACT TO EXISTING RESOURCES?
            1. IS NOT BURIAL GROUNDS A TYPE OF RESOURCES
          2. CULTURAL MITIGATIONS: MOVED SITE (NO CULTURAL RESOURCES) WHAT ABOUT BURIAL PROSPECTS
        7. “Impressed by efforts made to do things properly”
          1. provided a “framework for decision making”
  • Cross Examination
    1. Debra: Def. of natural resources from hrs-5: plants aquatic water life cultural historic scenic areas watersheds and minerals.
    2. Perry: UH to UH assessment
    3. Ku Ching: ASSUMING PREDECESSORS PERRY, I AM ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS
      1. TWO DIFFERENT CORPORATIONS
      2. AMANO: CHING MAY MAKE A MOTION OR RENEW MR. CHINGS MOTIONS
    4. Fergerstrom re: mitigation; color of telescope to match environment is called mitigation:
      1. F: WHAT IS THE COLOR OF THE SKY?
        1. W: BLUE, LIGHT
      2. F: WHAT IS THE COLOR OF THE GROUND?
        1. W: “Have you noticed the blue sky colors and the brown colors on the Subaru?” says  White.
      3. F: Define “deconstruction” and “decommission?”
      4. F: How long would it take to construct the TMT?
        1. W:“A number of years”
        2. W: “Up to five years” conditional; “round number”
    5. Kaiama: You don’t know who’s decision it was to remove the spots of 5.1 in 4.1?
      1. TIO not referenced in the CDUA; TMT is mentioned (Kaiama); “that’s why i say formerly” (Perry)
      2. Kaiama Do you know that TIO and TMT is the same knowledge? White “NO I DON’T”
        1. White: I’m really the wrong person to answer this question
        2. Kaiama: Did TMT or TIO develop the plan? White: TMT did. TIO had assumed… [what was the answer!? FOLLOWUP]
        3. Kaiama: plan should be stricken
      3. Final EIS
        1. Kaiama: Do you have any responsibility or input in final? White: No
  • Mitigate
    1. White “AVOID ADVERSE IMPACTS IF YOU CAN; IF NOT MINIMIZE IMPACTS THEN “MITIGATE””

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